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  UN Association

  by Jules Saturn in

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  so this happened awhile back ago, i was talking to this bethelite that i respect, i consider him to be very sincere.

  this was during the time i had discovered the un association the society had as an ngo.

  i already knew the answer, but to see his response, i asked him "was the society ever part of the united nations?

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  I feel like if I were to bring it up to my family, they might say "Yeah but are they currently an NGO?" and I'd say "No, but that's not the point, etc..."
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  Dunkirk.

  by zeb in

  1. social
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  i have just seen the film "dunkirk".

  do yourselves a big favour and go see it.

  (not for kids).

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  Beautiful film, especially the ending, saw it all in IMAX and it was so beautiful
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  UN Association

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so this happened awhile back ago, i was talking to this bethelite that i respect, i consider him to be very sincere.

  this was during the time i had discovered the un association the society had as an ngo.

  i already knew the answer, but to see his response, i asked him "was the society ever part of the united nations?

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  I imagined that anyone at HQ would've known about it but I guess it's only whoever was in the writing department
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  UN Association

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so this happened awhile back ago, i was talking to this bethelite that i respect, i consider him to be very sincere.

  this was during the time i had discovered the un association the society had as an ngo.

  i already knew the answer, but to see his response, i asked him "was the society ever part of the united nations?

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  So this happened awhile back ago, I was talking to this bethelite that I respect, I consider him to be very sincere. This was during the time I had discovered the UN association the Society had as an NGO. I already knew the answer, but to see his response, I asked him "Was the Society ever part of the United Nations?" and he tells me "No, not at all." So you could see why I found his answer insteresting. I thought his response would be interesting because he's been at Bethel since the late 90's, so surely he would know more about the Society than I do. But hearing him deny it told me 2 things.

  1. He's lying

  2. He genuinely doesn't know about the association the Society had with the UN

  Which if that's the case, that he doesn't know, it tells me that the majority of Witnesses, even those on a higher level, are unaware of it. What has been your experience when talking to Witnesses about this subject? Did you find a least a few people that were aware of it or more people that knew absolutely nothing about it?

  ~Jules
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  Conversation with my Dad

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my 73 yo dad called me tonight.

  he had just returned from the convention.

  he proceeded to tell me he can't believe that a smart and successful man like myself can be so dumb so as not to believe that jws have the truth.

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  I get the same exact responses from my own father, it's sad actually. And I refrain from telling him the truth about his convictions so I respect it
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  To Fade or Disassociate

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.

  i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.

  he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.

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  I guess the only issue is that the majority of my family are still in. I've tried to explain to them that they are trapped in a high control group but whenever I do, their defense mode goes up and it's in that moment that they want nothing to do with me. Fading is the best choice but it seems a bit difficult, i know that people fade and they go to extremes such as even moving to another part of town or even another state to avoid questions from their family asking which congregation or Kingdom Hall they attend or what circuit they're in, it's ridiculous
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  "You're going to die in Armageddon"

  by Jules Saturn in

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  i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

  it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

  even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

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  So my father tells me last night in reference to being destroyed at Armageddon:

  "And just as it is painful for the demons to hear the reminder of their fate, it hurts, bothers you what's coming your way."

  Wow, truthfully I can say now, blood ISN'T thicker than water. What a pity
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  "You're going to die in Armageddon"

  by Jules Saturn in

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  i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

  it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

  even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

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  They reason with "We're trying to save you" and I try reasoning with them by asking how fear mongering is going to save me or anyone for that matter.
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  "You're going to die in Armageddon"

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

  it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

  even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

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  I'm sure I am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones. It's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family. Even after I've been told that, they would say "We'll just continue life without you." "It's okay, we won't even feel your loss because in Paradise, we won't feel pain". After having been told that, later they apologize but still, it's almost as if the apology doesn't matter if weeks later the same things are said again. How does a person respond to this? How have you responded? It can be very disturbing and distressing on an emotional and mental level.

  ~Jules
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  Hello

  by Jules Saturn in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hello, i've been lurking for quite some time here on this forum, reading a whole lot and i've finally made the courage to create an account as a form of escape and in hopes to be understood and not feel "mentally diseased".

  little background on me, i am a born in but i consider myself a pimo (physically in mentally out).

  i feel like i've always had doubts but these doubts would sink with the meetings and the assemblies and every other little thing that drowns any doubts a witness may have.

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  So grateful for ALL of these responses, thank you so much everyone